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« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2010, 02:28:31 PM »

She said three WOMEN. She didn't know who. Egwene and Moiraine, for example, could easily be two of them.

dont forget Nyneave
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« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2010, 02:28:50 PM »

and Faile. BAHAHAHAHA AS IF
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« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2010, 06:30:02 PM »

She saw her own face, and she frequently related this viewing to knowing she would have to share Rand with three women, and she already knew who they were (at least their faces).
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« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2010, 07:43:23 PM »

She said three WOMEN. She didn't know who. Egwene and Moiraine, for example, could easily be two of them.

dont forget Nyneave
We don't know for sure who they are at the pyre or the bier, but we do know who they are when the great battle is done.
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« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2010, 12:02:54 AM »

We don't know for sure who they are at the pyre or the bier, but we do know who they are when the great battle is done.
Yes, but that's on a boat. Entirely different circumstances Smiley
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« Reply #41 on: September 05, 2010, 10:08:06 PM »

An interesting possibility keeps running through my head when I think of this topic; albeit, not limited to ToM.  In tSR, ch 26, The Dedicated; Rand gets a blood-line memory/vision (Charn) as far back as before the Bore was "drilled".  Now, Aviendha has passed through those same columns, so she has just had some blood-line memories/visions of her own.  Now, I realize this may have been discussed before, and may also have been proven otherwise (I've been lazy about the FAQ link Roll Eyes), but what if Aviendha remembers being Ilyena?
In the same chapter as above, Rand remembers (Coumin) "He did not regret the fact that the Aes Sedai had passed him over at ten, saying he lacked the spark."  So, since his memory/vision is not Lews Therin's life, Lews Therin was obviously not Aiel.  Do we know for certain that Ilyena was also not Aiel?  Perhaps she was born into the Dai'shain, but she had the spark, so she left to train with the Aes Sedai.  Grew up all proper like, met a boy, his future looked promising in a world gone mad, falls madly in love, marries him, supports him through hellish war campaigns, loves him unconditionally.  Then, one day after he comes home from a rather rough day at the office, he brutally murders the family at her annual reunion.  Sure she's upset, but like any woman with a husband who beats them swears to themselves, she loves him. Shocked
Then, Aviendha gets to confront Rand, and start to possibly recognize the Lews Therin inside him.  After VoG I doubt we'll have a cameo of Lews Therin with Rand again.  But, I could see it tying up in the "all is forgiven, I love you" schpiel that will most undoubtedly be evident in Rand's near future.
But, as I said, I think I remember something confirming that none of Rand's harem were in fact Ilyena.  Call it a plot twist possibility.
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« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2010, 12:00:07 AM »

An interesting possibility keeps running through my head when I think of this topic; albeit, not limited to ToM.  In tSR, ch 26, The Dedicated; Rand gets a blood-line memory/vision (Charn) as far back as before the Bore was "drilled".  Now, Aviendha has passed through those same columns, so she has just had some blood-line memories/visions of her own.  Now, I realize this may have been discussed before, and may also have been proven otherwise (I've been lazy about the FAQ link Roll Eyes), but what if Aviendha remembers being Ilyena?
In the same chapter as above, Rand remembers (Coumin) "He did not regret the fact that the Aes Sedai had passed him over at ten, saying he lacked the spark."  So, since his memory/vision is not Lews Therin's life, Lews Therin was obviously not Aiel.  Do we know for certain that Ilyena was also not Aiel?  Perhaps she was born into the Dai'shain, but she had the spark, so she left to train with the Aes Sedai.  Grew up all proper like, met a boy, his future looked promising in a world gone mad, falls madly in love, marries him, supports him through hellish war campaigns, loves him unconditionally.  Then, one day after he comes home from a rather rough day at the office, he brutally murders the family at her annual reunion.  Sure she's upset, but like any woman with a husband who beats them swears to themselves, she loves him. Shocked
Then, Aviendha gets to confront Rand, and start to possibly recognize the Lews Therin inside him.  After VoG I doubt we'll have a cameo of Lews Therin with Rand again.  But, I could see it tying up in the "all is forgiven, I love you" schpiel that will most undoubtedly be evident in Rand's near future.
But, as I said, I think I remember something confirming that none of Rand's harem were in fact Ilyena.  Call it a plot twist possibility.

All very interesting, but many people make this mistake. The columns help you see through your fore father's  eyes, and your forefathers are not necessarily your previous incarnations. Lews Therin has no familial relation to Rand however distant. So I think it unlikely that Aviendha has any relation to Ilyena.
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« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2010, 12:59:26 AM »

I apologize, I was unclear.  I was saying that since Rand didn't "remember" being Lews Therin in the columns, we know that Lews Therin is not one of Rand's fore fathers.  And from Coumin's perspective, the Dragon was respected by the Dai'shain.  So Lews Therin could not be.  If he had been, the Dai'shain wouldn't hold him in high esteem, having strayed from the covenant.  (Also, I was rather sloppy drunk when I wrote that. Wink)

Also, I wasn't really trying to imply that Aviendha is Ilyena, so much as I was trying to imply that Aviendha is a descendant of Ilyena.  But, I seem to have missed coming to that point in the post.  Drunken theorycrafting ftw.
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« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2010, 03:13:43 AM »

Though it would be fascinating to have Avi as Illyena, it cannot be.  LTT killed all his offspring when he went mad. 
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« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2010, 03:34:58 AM »

Though it would be fascinating to have Avi as Illyena, it cannot be.  LTT killed all his offspring when he went mad. 

Ilyena had a sister?
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« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2010, 03:48:02 AM »

Though it would be fascinating to have Avi as Illyena, it cannot be.  LTT killed all his offspring when he went mad. 

Ilyena had a sister?

An equally good-looking sister? Who got it on with an Aiel man? Whose child was accepted into the Dai'shain? Not very likely. But still a very fascinating idea.
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« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2010, 06:30:55 AM »

Though it would be fascinating to have Avi as Illyena, it cannot be.  LTT killed all his offspring when he went mad. 

Ilyena had a sister?

An equally good-looking sister? Who got it on with an Aiel man? Whose child was accepted into the Dai'shain? Not very likely. But still a very fascinating idea.

I like to speculate and let my imagination run wild.. Maybe Ilyenas mother slept around alot  Grin
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